Lost

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Having a difficult time putting my thoughts down here without being too expansive so forgive some of the shorthand and lack of explanation.  Fire away about anything that needs further detail.

I posted this over on TheoriesOnLost but I wanted to make sure I got the opinions of the best Lost posters on the net.  So of course I had to post it here as well. Sorry for the duplication and for the sometimes rudimentary observations but I was trying to go back and answer as many of the old questions as I could. Have at it folks!

First...

Wherever the Island is now (in the "815 crashed" reality), isn't it along the flight path of the plane that the runway was built for? Doesn't that mean that there will likely be a rescue team coming? Can "Fake John" lower the defenses so that rescuers can arrive?

Second...

Would any of the DI folks who were evacuated from the island in the "non-crash" reality have figured out that their universe was invaded by folks from another universe? Would they have been able to figure out that the "parallel" folks in their universe were children and/or yet to be born? The non-crashed flight still exhibited a great deal of synchronicity.  Sawyer and John, for example.  Claire and Jack.  Is the DI still operating and do they know who all these people are? (And if the Island acts on its own behalf, is the surviving DI its ace in the hole? That is, will the DI discover a way to bridge universes again and resurrect the Island, all according to the Island's own plan?)

Sorry for the ramblings that follow but I have a lot of things spinning in my head right now as I get back into Lost mode.

First, what do we really know about the smoke monster? Based on Locke telling Ben, “Sorry you had to see me like that” it would appear that Smokie is taking the form of John Locke. Likewise, from Jacob saying “I guess you found your loophole” it would seem that he is also the ‘man in black’.  He obviously is at odds with Jacob and based on the conversation in the season 5 finale it would seem that he views people as a ‘lost cause’ (could that be the real the meaning behind the title ‘Lost’?). This would help to explain why Eko was killed when he refused to repent for his life of destruction and death.

The two realities—one where there was no crash, and one where there was—a short hand description of these two realities for me would be the event-dominant (no crash) and the character-dominant.

(Tangent: I had a theory I wrote up last season about the possibility of different realities/dimensions here: Dimensions, Vibrations, and Minds.)  And Agent's theory on Realities Merging is here.

What led me to this way of thinking primarily was the way in which the second narrative started with Kate up a tree, and with the viewer hearing sound from her pov. The latter emphasizes subjectivity versus the way the external “objective” world of events is emphasized in the huge vertical pan shot that begins in the plane and swoops down under the sea to the submerged island.

And Kate up a tree—tree climbing symbolizes her character. As does the van for Hurley (where he was found).

Event dominant and character dominant are roughly analogous to the ongoing opposition of fate versus free will. For this reason I think the two will have to be brought together in some way in the story’s resolution. Another way to think of this is that they have a Schrodinger’s world—but unlike Schrodinger’s cat—I don’t think this will come down to a simple choice between the two.

Among the characters there were interesting differences in how they were portrayed in those two worlds. Hugo was the most affected by which world he was in. In the event/fate world—he is now a man of good luck. In the character world, he has transcended the effect of luck and is making his own kind of music. He is becoming a leader, telling Jack what to do, figuring out that the Japanese Other speaks English, generally taking charge (but oddly wearing a red shirt).

Sawyer seemed somewhat in-between. He has an encounter with Kate in the event world which hints strongly at their connections in the character world. In the character world, he also seems to be making changes in character as Hurley is—first threatening to kill Jack (his old revenge narrative) to later letting that go.

Interesting connection to the phrase “Let it go”—which the voice of Christian (Smokie) says to Jack in “Tale of Two Cities” and Rose says to Jack “You can let go” after the turbulence. Of all the characters Jack is most alike between the two worlds. He seems to have carried over the lesson from the world of the crash that “Nothing is irreversible” (this is a very different man than the one who doesn’t believe in giving people false hope in “Man of Science, Man of Faith”). And there are generally signs that he is the one carrying around some consciousness of what happened and has changed.

In the crash/character world, he is verging on being a very tragic character. When he says that he can’t fix Sayid, it seems like a sign of character development, but then his attempt to resuscitate Sayid is a mirror of what happened with Boone. Except perhaps that here his guilt is even stronger.

Because Jack is most alike between the two worlds, I can see an ending which revolves around transfer of one Jack to the other Jack’s world. My guess at the moment—the Jack in the character driven world is headed for a tragic end. The Jack from the event world will cross over. And perhaps this is what “He walks among us, but is not one of us” means.

Also Jack sees and talks to Desmond and Desmond has always been the guy who prefigures him—who is sort of in the same race but up ahead. And I wonder if the Des that appeared on the plane was someone travelling back and forth between the two.

A few other thoughts—the event/external versus the character/internal—another

As the final season of LOST is set to begin in mere hours, please allow me to share some last-minute thoughts.

1)       If I had to pick one theme from the show to call the strongest, especially in light of the last two seasons, I’d have to choose “None of the main characters learn anything.”  For example, Jack eventually opts to detonate a nuclear device on the island because he can’t stand that he lost Kate.  Really, a character can’t get more loathsome than that, risking the lives of others because he can’t live with losing a girlfriend.  Also, John fails at everything so badly that many viewers predicted he’d die.  Desmond has no significant reaction to Charlie’s death even though it appeared meaningless in spite of Desmond’s claim that it would save everyone, including Claire.  (Even if this is something yet to be (which would make no sense), there’s no reason for Desmond to be confident of that at this point.)  After Sawyer kills John’s father, his character stalls and meanders in fairly illogical ways.  Kate grows into motherhood, but otherwise seems never to develop into anything new.  Many interesting things going on between Sun and Jin have completely stalled.

Well we're just hours away from the final season where we've been promised some answers! I can't wait!! I've been thinking this show for so long I should be on the payroll for Bad Robot!! This isn't so much a theory as it is a series of rambling thoughts and questions... but then I'm sure that's what you've all come to expect from me! No answers, just more confusion!! :)

 

I find it interesting that some of the O6 “disappeared” from the return flight before it crash landed on the island. My question is why some and not all of them were transported to 1977 then I realized that everyone on the flight was taken to the time they were “supposed” to be in. Jack, Kate, Hurley and Sayid all would have traveled to 1977 with Sawyer and company had they not left the island. Once they got near it again, they were moved to the correct time line. Ben wasn’t transported to the 70's since he had no “future” there. He turned the wheel which caused him to leave the island and also started it moving through time. Had Sun not left the island she would have died in childbirth and therefore had no “future” in 1977 either. Lapidus was supposed to be the pilot on the original flight 815 and he would have died had he been on that flight. For that reason he had no future in 1977 and therefore wasn’t transported there.
Meanwhile, the man in black (MIB) who had breakfast with Jacob at the beginning of last season’s finale said he’d find a “loophole” to kill Jacob. It seems clear that he can not do it himself. We know the island’s power extends to the main land. Suppose that MIB posed as Eloise when Ben met with her and told him that “everyone” had to return to the island - including him. Well not everyone did return (Sun left Ji Yeon in Japan, Kate left Aaron on the mainland, and Desmond refused to return) so obviously not everyone had to be on the flight for them to return to the island. My theory is that the statement that “everyone” was needed was to insure that Ben was on the plane. Ben has no qualms about killing people and carries enough guilt about Alex’s death to manipulate things to leave the island so he could extract revenge on Widmore by killing Penny. Clearly this is the perfect person to manipulate, so once on the island MIB (posing as Locke) tells Ben to enter the hole in search of te smoke monster. MIB then poses as Alex to scare Ben into following Locke’s directions without question. MIB then resumes his role as Locke and tells Ben to kill Jacob.

If Jacob dies how does it impact MIB? Without a balancing counterpart (if that’s what Jacob is) is MIB able to do whatever he wants? During his conversation with Jacob he said of the people who come to the island,  “They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.” It would seem that he is now fighting and destroying. Is he repeating a cycle or is he being impacted by what he has witnessed so often?

And on a similar note, when Richard approached Locke in the finale and said “I have been here a long time, John. And I have seen things on this Island that I could barely describe, but I've never seen someone come back to life.” Locke replies that he never saw someone who doesn’t age to which Richard responds, “I'm this way because of Jacob.” So what happens if Jacob dies? Does Richard begin to age? Or will Richard suddenly become an old man circa Dorian Grey? Or will Richard just continue unchanged to live as if nothing had happened?

And going back again to the opening scene with Jacob and MIB on the beach, if the boat we saw was the Black Rock, then it would seem that the idea of the island suddenly appearing and beaching the Black Rock up in the mountains wouldn’t make sense anymore. So how exactly did the Black Rock get so high into the mountains?

Man there are so many questions with this show I really hope they answer them all!!

"A series can be said to have jumped the shark only if it had never previously done more than get its narrative feet wet. “Lost’’ dove in headfirst and has yet to reach for a towel. Jumping the shark? “Lost’’ swims with sharks - narratively speaking."

There was a great analysis in the paper today on the appeal of Lost which, to me, had far reaching implications having to do with meaning and belief.  Mark Feeny's central idea is his definition of pornography as not specifically about sex, but about the separationg of action and emotion (pornography divorcing sex from love).  Using this definition he briefly cites a scene in the Matrix as a divorce of violence from anger.  It seems to me that this separation does a lot to explain the dysfunctional effect of some forms of story-telling.  In Lost he sees "implausibility porn"--which he does not specify as to the action and emotion, but from his examples I assume he means between coincidence (action) and belief (emotion).  But here, I think, his definition may break down in an interesting way--that is, while in his description of the scene in the Matrix, the action is cooly detached from the emotion (thus making violence a beautifully rendered image without personal responsibility), coincidence and belief are more and more fully attached to each other in what he's describing.  And as he also goes on to say--this is dependent on strength of character development.  It's when narrative (which might be another word for coincidence) and character start to detach that we get a mechanistic universe--not narrative and belief.  In fact, I think the reason why implausibility and character have worked together to make the show so appealing has to do with a real longing for meaning in our culture--and the show has failed when the character development has fallen apart.

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"As a specular mirage, love is essentially deception.  It is situated in the field established at the level of the pleasure reference, of that sole signifier necessary to introduce a perspective centered on the Ideal point, capital I, placed somewhere in the Other, from which the Other sees me, in the form I like to be seen."

 

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